clones, seeds, and more seeds

[jackel]

dont forget that clones for OD are to be taken soon as well

[stiky dodo dumb]

i tooke gdp's the day befor you posted, and some maui and some tgu 2 days ago. i think my romulan plant will just go till may, or half way in the 3 gal then into a 5 or 7 till may.

i was thinking i i use the flimsy pots i can gently cut them away from the root mass when their next to their holes, slide them out of the cut apart conainers instead of tiping them upside down. i may not be useing the gdp outdoors but ill think that over, its best grown indoors i know that much and tgu even maui yealds twice as much as gdp. i didnt get equal quality outdoors this last season though harvest came a littler early. the indoor stuff is truely narcontic stoney effect and smells like grape soda or a creamy grape flavor.

this recent batch has been flushed with 1 1/2 gal per pot twice once a week in the begining and then given an extra week or just water makeing it a tottal 3 week no-feed flush. i cant say how many weeks they feed for or vegged but i find granddady purple needs around 2 months from cutting till it big enough to flower in 5+ gal pots.

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here's a money shot
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theirs some maui bottom left, tgu right and granddady purple on our right. another with maui at the bottom, romulan to the right and grandaddy to the left. i also have 3 dif master kush plants and a big bud currently all 100% fem but im checking every few days for changes in them. if i ever buy seeds again im buying dutch or canadian, and ive been read that your better off staying away from nervana's genetics however cheep they are.
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maui
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TGU
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anyone notice the huge ass trichombs?
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romulan -some sort of strawbery/chery pezz smell on her, like candy your not supoed to eat too much of. kinda like maui but biger buds and no island spice aromas.
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ok ill get some good pics of tgu buds soon, 2 of the GDP plants in this area have been moved to flower cause i need the room and they are big enough. actually i had master GDP vegg growth with this soil mix then any time befor, i used alot of this vermicrop amendment stuff thats got compost and other shit in it. i also made a tea from that starter fertilizer i mentioned erlier w/pro biotic and endo/ecto mycorrhiza for optimum plant health and food uptake, i watered everything with that tea then went back to the respective scheduals.
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-theirs tgu to the bottom right and left als oin 5 gal squat pots.

[stiky dodo dumb]

some clones, well a not so resent pics of some clones lol. ive poted alot of theas into 1 gallon pots and taken out from under the dome, also desided to only keep cuts of the tgu dood to ploinate. i tossed what i dont need to keep numbers low while i start 10 granddady clones 2 maui and 4 tgu. i figure i wont have to clone the romulan again and i hope not cause its still real funky re-vegging but im optomistic. its a squat growing plant and i can clone some tops of sides if she gets too big, i dont think she'll be too old. though honestly i dont know when i cloned her, it had to of been like the day she wnet into flower. i clone like 2 days max into 12/12, so its allready as old as my romulan buds only its about 6 inches tall -been in a 3gal for a couple weeks now.
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notice the blistering as it's pushing roots, the onther clone-dood had even more effect but this doesnt happen alot. blistering is comon but the roots are really fuzzy and this is a really healthy cutting -thanks be to root tech gell, root juice, gnatrole, and oasis cubes.
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the big bud dood cuts are in this pic, the biger more yellow cuts. TGU is the even biger greener cuts and theirs 10 granddady clones under thoes beleave it or not that i took from underneeth the 4 GDP plants with no apparent effect on their potenchal. i just couldnt root 10 the size of thoes tgu doods, id need a gang of trays and domes. i can see whear a easy cloner comes in handy cause biger clones are allways healthier andd root much quicker, i still root cloned smaller then my pinky finger they just take longer and dont hit the ground running as they say.

i was thinking of puting a plant in the ive area to the left of the patch but in a 30 gal growbag, keeping the number of plants in that area to 5 gives them more space individually makeing everything easier and i hope to imporoove outdoor harvests again. plus we are in a drought situation it seems, some counties are rationing dayly water amounts and the rates are increasing meaning its getting more expensive to use more water. atleast in some counties i hear on the news, not mine yet but we get water via from the snow pack of seasonal winter storms. -soon their will be a plant to refine or treat sea water (or possably san fransisco bay water) for millions of people, imagen that.

[kmfdm4life]

Man im glad your trying to keep the # down!! I have a totel of 9 plants, 4 nycd female, 5 unknown tgu and no clones because i have no room!!
Anyway looks great, keep up the good HEARD work

Later

P.S. Ill get on them videos u set in my thread soon!!
THANKS!!!!!!!!!

[stiky dodo dumb]

i dont mind now, i know more then one of moms doctors who are willing to sign off on such a thing plus ive got a recomendation. im not worried about prossecution, maby haveing the cops steel all of my and my moms weed and plants but her arthritus conditon is worsening and was just told she needs full knee replacement surgery in april or some time soon. -that we should have dont it much earlier cause the bone is deteriorating and causing painfull spurs wich causes also causes dificulty during re-placement. im more worried about haveing enough high quality meds so she doesnt need to use as much narcotic pill for her other problems including hurniated discs. the granddady definantly seems to help her sleep or get back to sleep if she wakes up in pain.

soo i counted after tieing a few plants down and ive got 15 in flower and only 1 in a 3 gal pot. thats after harvesting the GDP a few days early cause of pm creeping in, rotating the rest of the vegg stock that is ready and will flower in this cycle. i have flushed the tgu allready and will flush the romulan and a maui tomarrow, another maui(in 3gal) is probly another 2 weeks or more behind theas. the romulan plant will be cloned but i will still keep enough greens on it to keep it going, ill have all 6 strains to pollinate for sure. tgu x tgu, maui x tgu, gdp x tgu, romulan x tgu, masterkush x tgu, and big bud x tgu. i am really pushing for this seed run cuz im hyped about improving the gdp yealds and the flavor of the tgu, things can only get better.

[kmfdm4life]

Well I hope your moms does as well as possable!! My moms getting old, she has crones(sp) they took out helf her int.(the thing your food goes through) out a few years back!! She still has some 4 now!! But my brother has it and i think it runs in faimaly(sp)But I still have no problems eating, like them, Still have shiting problms at times but i blam it on the other stuff I do!! What im reallt trying to say is I know weed can help alot of problems!! hell I was on probo forever, had to quit for days!! They would give me zanex for sleep, i would still not eat(sp), I will take zanax but want do it all the time, Its just crazy over here!! Ill let you get your thread baks!! YOU SHOULD LIVE EAST

Later

[stiky dodo dumb]

thanks bro, i had put some time last night updateing this thread but it didnt go through i guess. pisses me off but anyway i rotated the crop onto a tarp in another room to be sprayed with mildue cure, monday i sprayed the vegg plants cause of some PM on the romulan then yesterday i saw it on a bigbud leaf.

i have this squarl fan that blows air into my vegg cab and its got a cage on it that gets cloged with airborn dust bunnies like on the edg of fan blades, i dont have an air filter for my room so maby a pare of nylons replased every other day could reduce the dust in the air. i clean regularly but its just dirt from the house that makes its way up their.

i also found 80% of my granddady clones had pushed roots out of theri oasis, some had better development but all where rooted. they where put into some fairly hot soil that i put more starter fertilizer in then norml, it hasnt burnt any of the test plants so i went and put 9 into 1 gal pots and 1 into a 2gal. also i took 6 clones from the romulan that had some kickin vegg growth after its slow re-vegg. im deticating the garnddady to indoors only, trying 2 romulans instead. maby a master kush but i dont know, that romulan is somethin specal. i didnt want to end up with too old of a plant if i actually rooted it in jan or even december and then grows till october outside. so i start the romulan on the 16th, a little late but it had to re-vegg properly. then i'll cut the tgu and maui again in a month or so cause they get soo big anyways, i have them rooting now so i could just keep them in vegg till may. i was thinking about a spring crop vegging some gdp and others for a month then stert them flwoering indoors and get them out in the sun when the wether allows -maby early april. they should start flowering right away with the amount of daylight but then it increases going into may and i bet it increases slowly through april so for insurance ill initiate flowering with 12/12 indoors for a few weeks to get the fruit set under way.

[stiky dodo dumb]

well ive had root showing on the tgu for 2 days now and a maui just blew up in the last day or so, yesterday i sprayed the oasis with probly 1-2 ml for a small 12oz spray bottle -i dont measure just ad a small drip, but i also added bio-kelp actually called alg-a-mic. the roots seamed to love it, somehow the romulan clones shiveled up at the oasis but are doing well. that maybe cause i didnt wet the oasis with root juice or cause their was too much rooting gell in their with the stem. anywas their mostly two headed cause i cut them right below the smalest branch so they have a small brnahc on each clone.

since i sprayed the crop with mildue cure the 17th and ive been flushing the romulan and a maui for a week allready and 2 tgu's for even longer ill cut thoes 4 on march 4th. i mixed more dirt cuz i was out and the clones needed to be poted, went and bought a bunch or stuff for that. the romulan is turning purple btw

[stiky dodo dumb]

i have this stuff called vermicrop organics ammendment, its a compost type deal that ive been useing. it has nugets of compresed wormcastings and stuff that need to be busted up befor mixing but ive also top dressed all my pots with it @ around 1/4 inch. the dirt i mixed is permiating moisture and heat so im turning it every 2 days, soon after it stops this i will have plants ready to leave their 1 gal pots (ive had kush, big bud and the tgu doods in 1gal for several weeks now)

[stiky dodo dumb]

-that vermicrop was a bit lighter then 1/4" layer, it shunk to 1/8 or an inch after watering and seems to conserve water somewhat. i wont know if it traps air movement but im gunna transplant the TGU dad tomorrow. i toped one of them more then a week ago so it healed up then i had to cut of some nuts growing at the pre-flower internodes where the new hormones where diverted. i also tried out supercroping a few plants (one romulan a week or more inot flower, i dont recomend supercroping when flowering plants just tieing them down does much less damage creating less stress on the plant.
i supercroped that TGU dad i toped and then desided to top the other tgu dady clone to see the diferance between toping and supercropeing related to stress and quicker recovery so the hormones are diverted but the injury wasnt as tramatic.
this is the male TGU that i supercroped
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the other male tgu i toped wich was smaller to start i only clip the smallest top node.
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theas are more plants i super croped begining with the romulan a week or so into flower, i figured what the hell its best to do in vegg but oh well. thoes where ok bend/kink action but i orginally used my uni grow suport ties, the others i used sturdy twists on and they stayed still the romulan ended up breaking cause the streachy suport tied wher too bulky for the small stems. they do need suport though, for a speedy turn around.
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big bud
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TGU
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master kush
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GDP
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theas where all taken the day after supercroping so the turn around is apparent, far less stess or stunting of plant growth yet auxins or hormones should now be encuraged at the lateral nodes.


i looked at tutural vidios of supercroping and a few are scary but snaping their neck (not really snaping or breaking more of a controled bend and kink really) isnt as violant as cuting their head off. i would say that i havent tried supercroping seed starts, i top thoes at 3,4,5 nodes then they turn bushy a month later and are much shorter in their streach. they could just get very bushy and stay short if super croped i cant say.

i trim a little to get the non-sugar leaf off then again to help it dry on the lines alos drying the trim on my screen, the yscreen by the way is way too small -i had some hash from premature nugs brken down and sifted in my spacecase polinator and it was exilent, i put this ontop of my screen for the hell of it and their was a good amount left that i hand-pressed with my thumb roling the hash by twisting the other palm i put the keif onto. that hash was also exilent, so i figure the huge ass trichombs of the tgu outdoors doesnt fit through a 140 mesh pre-streached screen. i dont know what size space case uses for their grinders and polinator but im interested in that, i had a 220 mesh screen befor that got alot of debris comeing through but also beter potency in the first sift i think i cant say for sure.
this finger hash only comes from the dry trim where the buds are allready cliped from the stem and im jsut geting off some leaf, i leav some sugar leaf on but use most for hash and cookies.
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this is master kush http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x62/ ... /008-1.jpg
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GDP after cliping lots of leafs from the mid canopy and lower canopy bringing a majority of bud sites into the light and increasing air flow, a majority of leafs i cut where directed inward toward the middle of the plant thus flocking other foliage and bud production from hps light. i was tired of the amount of buds too small to trim going to the hash pile but this last harvest is allright, id like to improve GDP's yeald for sure. im glad i chose tgu and not kush to polinate soon as this crops is finished.
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this big bud is very small, smells like orange cream popsicles now in mid-flower. i dunno if ill seed it even, the trighombs look huge to the naked eye compared to some other flavors i have.
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[kmfdm4life]

Ok i just wrote a 30 min post for my thread in notepad, so n a hurry< got to move seedlings!! Anyway them plants and buds and your fingers look great I have never saw them so wide and low I guess this is your supercropeing!! I dont know if that would work for my closet, but if thats it I may try one this summer and see!!
Also if you look at the bottom right corner of this pic. the leaves with tips cut!! Thats what I was callinf leaf strees Im going to post pics after I gets plants in the dark and you can see it n my TGU
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Like I said Im no worried, just notice things,

IN A FEW!!

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[stiky dodo dumb]

thats not super croping, i just started that with my romulan a week into flower -i know im not suposet to supercrop flwoering plants ohwell.

that is the technique of tieing branches with uni grow suport ties and then makeing a hloe in the pot where you want it tied down at, looping the tape through and holding the branch down then creating tenchion in the tape to train the plant. if the top branches snap ill put bamboo sticks horizontal as splints and tape them with the streachy material. it is important to know i also toped thoes plants early on while they wher in 1 gal pots then vegge dthem for a month or so in 5 gal pots to creat that huge root ball and also wait for my other gdp to be harvested. theas gdp plants really blew up on me and im likeing this techneque, supercroping could lead to bushier plants but theirs one way to tell and ill show what my plants do.

on a sad note i was supercroping the tiny clone of my best kush plant and broke its neck down half way -so it can be very messy if not handled with care and i am just gunna have to vegg that thing for a long time.

[stiky dodo dumb]

so i like supercroping opposed to toping to train my young plants, i ended up toping some more youngin's and then supercroping a few others. and some that where super croped befor had become stalky and the stem is thicker so i topped them too, i wnat them to branch out early so i have bushes to put out in may.

now my mom wants to run GDP outdoors after talking about the quality of last year, so ive got my 2 largest gdp's transplanted into the thin plastic 5gal squat pots. a maui clone i had in a 3 gal pot just cloned resntly is reaching out of the potom makeing roots under the pot, so i put that into a reg thin plastic 5gal pot. i want to put romulan out too so the biger one is in a 3 gal pot -also thin plastic as i know ill be transplanting and i need a pot that wont resist much come time to do that. i can cut theas appart if needed w/clipers to protect the root mass and a 3-4ft plant or however wide they get.. then simply pull away the sides and bottom and move it in the hole or saflty plant it into the next planter. im puting 2 tgu out to keep my yealds high and i really like the floral/hash sent its got, i sifted the immature buds and it really some good hash produceing bud -i like how theirs not a gang of leaf compaired to the huge assed buds OD. theos are in 2 gal pots but soon go into the thin plastic 5gal -narrow pots this time cause i dont have anough room for 6 squat pots in the hydro hut and i always favor the GDP. soo the line up isss.. 2 TGU, 2GDP, 1MAUI, 1ROMULAN

im allready thinking of adding a 30gal grow bag and growing 5 in the 15ft area then the other around the corner on a table ill build a foot or soo off the ground -its gunna offset the hill im growing on so the grow bag is level, it might go into the ive if i can support the bag over the ive not killing most of it.

its nice land scape and thoes grow bags are huge, i just gotta find the right location so they dont become overgrown.

[jackel]

will be a good lineup. get a backhoe and tear the ivy up and make a flat spot jk. but small flat spots for bags isnt too much to do with a shovel or pick. hell i had to do that to 25 30gal bags full on a hillside. sucked ass. but now its a bitchen spot

[kmfdm4life]

Yes you all have alot of them good spots over/out ther jackel!! I hope you do well sticky, as you now the more work the more reward, most of the time!!
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